Kylie Minogue

[cj]

Daydream wrote:

diceyuk wrote: On my side of the problem, I'm not happy either. Mylene has her own section while we over here we have a thread...! I am seriously upset.

Yep. Kylie is like BIG TIME! She is the 'real thing'.

Daydream wrote:

The pics at G-A-Y... there is an update for them, 2 times more than I originally posted. Does anybody think that I'm going to go back, edit my post and plug the update on the 24th page of this thread, which as it stands is not even the last page, so there would be exactly no chance that somebody will even notice them? Hell no. Therefore no other pics.

Hmmm. Now what do you think my/our response is going to be to this? You mention new pics and then say there is no way that we will ever be able to see them? Link please!!!

Seriously, thnx for posting what you have posted so far.

[diceyuk]

cj wrote:

Daydream wrote: diceyuk wrote: On my side of the problem, I'm not happy either. Mylene has her own section while we over here we have a thread...! I am seriously upset.

The quote is wrong, I didn't say that.
But nevermind, let's get things into perspective. Mylene has her own section because to all intents & purposes, she is what this forum is about. OK, it's really about French music but if it wasn't for Mylene, it would be virtually non existent.
Furthermore, does Mylene have a thread on any Kylie forums - I very much doubt it
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[cj]

Whoops! You are correct. I don't know how that quote was 'misquoted'?

Anyway, this forum is electic and covers a lot of interesting female pop stars/artisits. And that is a good thing. Who cares about how other forums are organzied?

[Daydream]

diceyuk wrote:

But nevermind, let's get things into perspective. Mylene has her own section because to all intents & purposes, she is what this forum is about. OK, it's really about French music but if it wasn't for Mylene, it would be virtually non existent.

That's by accident, not by intent. Because between 2007-09 (or so) her releases were the most discussed ones around here, since there was nothing else to talk about. But if it becomes canon (pun intended ) I'll definitely be against it. The way I see it we either do something to return this place to musique français and all things French, or open up the forum to music in general. Sure it makes no sense to have a section for Mylene, one for Alizée, one for Pri... and one for Kylie. It would look like what the f... happened here, since there's no link. That's why I think we should rethink the structure in a broader way.

Down to specific details the dynamic of a section for Kylie, would exceed that of Mylene by an order of magnitude. Not because of any one being better than the other just because it's a different type of music, with different mechanics and exposure. Does anybody wanna see 3000 pics and 60GB of clips with Kylie? (wideband power). Have a separate section where stuff can be properly organized. Otherwise there's no purpose.

[Anna]

with all my respect...

I'm sorry Daydream, but ...

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Does anybody wanna see 3000 pics and 60GB of clips with Kylie?

don't bother...
instead :

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do something to return this place to musique français

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Sure it makes no sense to have a section for Mylene, one for Alizée, one for Pri... and one for Kylie.

Sure... It makes much more sense to have one thread for Mylene in section "La Musique Française"

Because Alizee's and Pri..'s sections "are jealous"...of not having so many participants...



And yeeeeees... Kylie Minogue & Girls Aloud & Christina Aguilera - this is EXACTLY what I call Music in general ...





...and I visited that thread only by accident..., me in Kylie's thread

[Daydream]

Anna wrote:

And yeeeeees... Kylie Minogue & Girls Aloud & Christina Aguilera - this is EXACTLY what I call Music in general ...

Music, like politics, religion and football is a very subjective thing. Everybody knows better and what everybody else listens to is utter garbage. If I'd be to counter what you just said we would be poking each other's eyes for a week.

Instead I would point your attention to a couple of things:
- musique francaise can't survive without people from France. People that are not interested in Mylene exclusively. To that end the current state of affairs shows exactly where this "a-few-artists-centric" approach got us. Forget Mylene, Kylie, etc. If I wanna search anything about Lorie, Melissa Mars,etc I got threads between 35 to 80 pages long, thousands of posts. Is that proper organizing?
- which brings me to my second point. I doesn't matter if we're gonna have a Kylie section, a Madonna section, a Japanese bands section and whatnot. What is important is to NOT pour everything, pics, news, clips, reviews, into a single thread, that grows beyond the ability of anybody except those that watched it from the beginning, to understand anything.

And I definitely like the expression "with all due/my respect". Usually is followed by something showing exactly the opposite.

[Daydream]

cj wrote:

You mention new pics and then say there is no way that we will ever be able to see them? Link please!!!

Here's the stuff:

[Daydream]

You guys might be interested in this

http://cgi.ebay.com/KYLIE-MINOGUE-APHRODITE-RARE-PROMO-POSTER-FLAT-GATEFOLD-/370407378163?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item563e000cf3

2 12" x 12" posters. Problem is they're both sides, if you put them together on the backside that's a 12" x 24" Kylie poster. So I got 2 pairs . I think the guy had 4 for sale (lowest buy it now price I could find).

[Daydream]

No. The Aphrodite photoshoot never ends. More of the same dramatic 35-45 megapixels. Come to think of it, these pics stretched on 3 screens almost look 1:1 in size with the real thing Who needs posters? Print your own!

[Anna]

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To that end the current state of affairs shows exactly where this "a-few-artists-centric" approach got us. Forget Mylene, Kylie, etc. If I wanna search anything about Lorie, Melissa Mars,etc I got threads between 35 to 80 pages long, thousands of posts. Is that proper organizing?

I don't see the problem...On MFIC forum for example a thread for Najoua has 100 pages, Zazie - 250, Ysa Ferrer - 160, Alizee - 1000, Vanessa Paradis - 100, Emilie Simon - 40...and people do participate there...We can have a section for each of them and a number of posts (looking at current dynamics of the French section) would be close to ....0. Because simply, now there is no interest in French music on this forum...(which I regret)
And I was serious Daydream, not malicious, why to spend several hours on uploading 3000 pics for 10 people here and not to share interesting views on French music in the right section and start a discussion there? You complain but you do something opposite...

I have an idea, maybe you will create a new thread called "Aphrodite session for Kylie", move your posts there, ask Canon to make it "sticky" and then everyone will be happy?

[diceyuk]

Daydream wrote:

What is important is to NOT pour everything, pics, news, clips, reviews, into a single thread, that grows beyond the ability of anybody except those that watched it from the beginning, to understand anything.

Just a thought, which might be a bit simplistic for some, but why not start other threads in the "off topic" section called "Kylie Pictures", "Kylie Clips" etc etc.
Surely it doesn't matter that there isn't a seperate Kylie section, does it
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[cj]

You guys are all too parochial and purist IMHO ... or as we say in the U.S. "You are stuck in the mud!".

Anyway, I am a 'fatalist' (imagine that, me being a Mylene fan too) and I have given up any hope of MFI town ever being revamped and brought into the 21st century.

@ Dicey: You tried to get rid of the Alizee section a while back. If you had your way, the entire MFI town would be Mylene, Mylene, Mylene ... and then, when she disappears for two or three years, there would be nothing to discuss except to rehash the same old crap about Mylene, Mylene, Mylene.

Rant over.

[Daydream]

Anna, Dicey - I'm not sure you understand, but it doesn't work that way.

What you're suggesting is a stopgap not a solution, or, in less academic words, small potatoes.

1) I'm not Kylie driven, it was just the most handy example. But I could just as easily start posting about other (non-French) bands/artists. We have to look past the most immediate aspects.

2) There are practical and technical aspects to consider. Let me give you some examples.

If I create a "Kylie photo thread" and everything pictures posted so far get moved to it here's how it'll look: somewhere in it there'll be me posting MQ Aphrodite shoot pics. Then a few posts later, HQs. Then CJ posts some more HQs. Then another few posts later I come back and posts UHQs. Then even more posts later I come back again and post even more UHQs. Now the Aphrodite shoot is spread on I don't know how many posts, how many pages. Then somebody comes and searches "Aphrodite". What does he or she gets as far as pics? Nothing. They are lost in a sea of other pics, where no search criteria will help.

Second example. Go and search now for Aphrodite. Either you do it by "threads" or "posts", you'll get returns that have no meaning or consistency. Bottom line, this is not how you index data, and anybody that has some dbase knowledge would be appalled. Remember this is just an example. It applies also to Madonna, Lorie, you name it.

If I'd be to post now, like I think it should be done (but hey, that's just me), I would flood the offtopic section, because everything would be broken down by date/event/type of media. You would not see one photo thread, you would see 25 and growing. That can be searched, the contents can be saved properly (that is if one knows how to mass-save pics from a forum, not save as one by one), etc. The discussions can be properly organized on topics and so on. Oh wait, but that is what happens when an artist/band has their own section, isn't it?

And when I'm not posting Kylie (which again, is just an example), I'll do the same from Madonna. And for Girls Aloud; and the Saturdays; and all the French artists in the general French section that have 30+ threads. So there'll be an overflow of new, properly named, easy to search, well organized threads... that have no home!

On the more political side: are you guys happy with the current state of affairs? Do you think that's OK to navigate in your ocean of Mylene stuff (but wait, are we by any chance a big Mylene place, something of reference?). Maybe you guys weren't around in 2003 but then there were *cough* slightly more people alive here. I understand they grow up, they're gone, whatever; what happen to new users? Aaaaa.

Would you be surprised to find out that from the 2000+ registered users, 900 have 3 posts or less even if they have been registered for years? Maybe I'm lucky that I don't have access to the backend dbase, 'cause probably there'll be even more depressing stats. I've no desire to revive the cool old times. But how about the cool new times? About making something with purpose and substance?

[Anna]

I'm trying to find in this thread any reviews of new Kylie's album and this is the only post showing any opinion

June 25th by Daydream

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In case you guys didn't notice the new album is online now, spreading like wild fire (on a certain forum there were 15 threads, from where to grab it). [43:29 later] This is nuts! Furious infusion of beats and energy is probably something that tries to get close to describe this thing! The album title track is the craziest, with this buzzing question repeated to hypnotic effect "Can you feel me in stereo". And then I have this hook in my head that doesn't wanna let go, where she starts rhyming so fast that she's almost rapping it I'm fierce and I'm feeling mighty, I'm a golden girl, I'm an Aphrodite Alright.. alright! Yeah! The album never let go of the rhythm for more than half a song of all 12. This must be over the top in concert.

When "Point de suture" was released (ykhm, in fact before it was released officially) we had a discussion in Mylene's section..., but you still claim this is comparable...and the same...

Is this all still about music or only about pics?


But Daydream, I'm not going to argue about it any more because I know you are here a member of merit (and I'm serious and respectful) and I really think that it is great what you are doing for Kylie's fans. I don't want to daunt you.


Ok, I'm going now to that page:
http://www.musicme.com/#/Kylie-Minogue/albums/Aphrodite-5099964290355.html and I will see what to think about it...The first track sounds completely flat for me but ...ok, I will give Kylie a little more chance...

[Daydream]

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